tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post1737972953606226281..comments2024-03-22T06:05:36.544-04:00Comments on Kids Prefer Cheese: Koch brouhaha--My takeMungowitzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02340064320347875601noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-43654298285765984332011-06-01T15:20:02.282-04:002011-06-01T15:20:02.282-04:00In response to 'Anonymous' (I don't no...In response to 'Anonymous' (I don't normally respond to anyone who doesn't have the guts to reveal their identity on such chats unless they can prove to me they are really and truly 'Batman', 'Spiderman' or 'Superman' and there is a good reason why their names can't be used), but I am curious as to why it is only 'right-wingers who are buying professors'<br /><br />does it stand to reason that in a liberal legislative body that perhaps the liberal legislators are 'buying liberal professors' and withholding funding to the state institutions of higher learning with all of our taxpayers' money unless they hire liberal professors?<br /><br />I'd be content if only 40% of the state university funding went to conservative economics professors, for example, based on a comparable percentage of registered conservative voters on the state election lists.<br /><br />That might be a fair way to do it?Frank Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948885430465501408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-21804047625588226932011-06-01T15:18:12.698-04:002011-06-01T15:18:12.698-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Frank Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948885430465501408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-50028906540638118662011-06-01T15:09:20.576-04:002011-06-01T15:09:20.576-04:00"People need to think critically, cause the r..."People need to think critically, cause the right wingers are buying the professors. You won't get economics; you'll get Koch's ideology at a tax payer funded school."<br /><br />How odd. Sometimes hiring committees make hires on the basis of ideology. What's the difference?<br /><br />As well, all of these candidates presumably are qualified - i.e. have PhDs, evidence of scholarly and teaching potential, etc. So what's the problem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-8175023577840185022011-05-31T15:41:05.896-04:002011-05-31T15:41:05.896-04:00Anonymous,
I believe you are conflating Munger&#...Anonymous, <br /><br />I believe you are conflating Munger's statement about usual hiring committees with the advisory committee. The typical hiring committee can be enormously influential and this advisor committee (with veto power) not be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-88033752736277850002011-05-31T14:16:56.388-04:002011-05-31T14:16:56.388-04:00I don't understand how on the one hand you sa...I don't understand how on the one hand you say "the hiring committee is merely advisory" and then "They have enormous influence"<br /><br />I understand the point of your letter is that these grants always come with stipulations, but doesn't this seem way out of the ordinary?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-24776160788847652792011-05-31T14:06:44.703-04:002011-05-31T14:06:44.703-04:00Um... I actually found the "influence" c...Um... I actually found the "influence" claims too far-fetched even to be plausible.<br /><br />Look, there was a hiring committee, composed of 3 people. 2 of them were FSU Econ faculty. They made recommendations, which the Department could then vote up or down.<br /><br />CGKF had a role in choosing the committee, sure. But the FSU faculty endorsed the process. And it was the FACULTY who had the veto power, the hiring committee is merely advisory.<br /><br />Faculty hiring committees are usually composed of hand-picked defenders of orthodoxy and the status quo. They have enormous influence. If you want to open up the process by getting rid of those narrow gate-keeper committees, okay.<br /><br />But your objection seems to be that this particular committee might have chosen someone from outside the orthodox elite! Even if that's true, though, the Department still had to accept the recommendation. They could easily say no.Mungowitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02340064320347875601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-53780048886445272212011-05-31T13:20:19.423-04:002011-05-31T13:20:19.423-04:00Mike,
Its interesting we don't hear whining wh...Mike,<br />Its interesting we don't hear whining when the Feds...ie DOT and DOE place requirements before returning OUR money to us.<br /><br />Keep up the good work...<br />TonyAnthony Brunohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01013327933357382123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-75232122381896685312011-05-31T13:08:04.571-04:002011-05-31T13:08:04.571-04:00The points raised by Anonymous 11:15 AM, May 31, 2...The points raised by Anonymous 11:15 AM, May 31, 2011 are what I'm wondering as well. <br /><br />The hullabaloo is about whether the Kochs have/had influence on hiring decisions. When Munger says, "There was nothing unusual, or underhanded, about what went on in Tallahassee," do you mean that the Kochs didn't have any influence on hiring or that you don't mind that they did influence hiring decisions?<br /><br />I wasn't able to read the WSJ article because it's gated.Mr. Overwaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-35039508851757378382011-05-31T11:15:22.693-04:002011-05-31T11:15:22.693-04:00I thought the main concern was extent to which the...I thought the main concern was extent to which the Koch Foundation was demanding a say in the hiring of tenured faculty. While the issues you discuss above have in fact been raised as concerns by some in the past, Koch's insistence that faculty members be cleared by them on ideological grounds does seem to go a step further, doesn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-3856549955165165522011-05-31T07:48:46.939-04:002011-05-31T07:48:46.939-04:00Hear. Hear! Professor Munger!
I spoke at Chapel H...Hear. Hear! Professor Munger!<br /><br />I spoke at Chapel Hill (one of my alma maters, Dook being the other) this spring on 'Civil Discourse' at the Institute for the Arts and Humanities.<br /><br />I was second choice, behind my former boss, Congressman Alex McMillan (NC-9) who served from 1985-1995.<br /><br />the reason? 'We could not think of anyone else to call if you had not accepted, Frank!'<br /><br />Like I was the only other person other than Alex McMillan who was from the 'non-liberal' side of the spectrum....in the entire STATE!<br /><br />So, now I call institutes of higher learning 'hemiversities' until and unless they can tell me they are balanced in their presentation of all views, like a 'uni'versity is supposed to be doing.<br /><br />Even the IAH at UNC-CH admits they need more diversity in ideas and perspectives...and, yes, that includes views from conservatives, libertarians and maybe even some Marvin Martian types among us.<br /><br />What is the big threat to smart young people to be able to hear from every corner of the intellectual spectrum in the vaunted classrooms of academia in America today?Frank Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948885430465501408noreply@blogger.com