tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post7331903894469255957..comments2024-03-22T06:05:36.544-04:00Comments on Kids Prefer Cheese: Force Bad, Persuasion Good. Guns Rule Out Force.Mungowitzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02340064320347875601noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-41455603545530466802010-04-25T22:32:58.261-04:002010-04-25T22:32:58.261-04:00To obtain your cheeseburger at a restaurant, you u...To obtain your cheeseburger at a restaurant, you use the reasonable means of obtaining that cheeseburger normalized by society (currency). The alternative is force.<br /><br />Likewise, students come to class because that is the reasoned response. If they don't come, they will either be directly penalized (if attendance is graded) or indirectly penalized (by missing out on the knowledge that could have been obtained through attendance). A student uses reason to determine whether the gains in the situation outweigh the loss of their valuable free time. Consequently, most students show up most of the time.<br /><br />Reason and force. That's it.Matt Gillilandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02836325398369030857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-19054177619543179922010-04-24T22:45:15.716-04:002010-04-24T22:45:15.716-04:00Do you reason restaurant workers into giving you c...Do you reason restaurant workers into giving you cheeseburgers?<br />Force students to come to class or face your violent wrath?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07970169457593645713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-83355863923647733332010-04-24T16:52:55.584-04:002010-04-24T16:52:55.584-04:00does your emotion lead you to force or reason with...does your emotion lead you to force or reason with others?<br /><br />do your social norms favor forcing or reasoning?<br /><br />is your exchange truly voluntary, or forced?<br /><br />doesn't seem to be much of a shoehorning to me. when it comes down to it, what is driving your interaction? emotion and norms can be evaluated by how they're used, can't they?Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05093170309806260127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-52613614609939864862010-04-24T16:11:02.384-04:002010-04-24T16:11:02.384-04:00"Human beings only have two ways to deal with..."Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force"<br /><br />Most human interaction is governed by emotion, social norms and voluntary exchange; it is hard to shoehorn these into the categories of "reason" or "force".Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07970169457593645713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-56203267593599992782010-04-24T07:54:29.740-04:002010-04-24T07:54:29.740-04:00Merriam-Webster thinks that dissuade is an antonym...Merriam-Webster <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/persuade" rel="nofollow">thinks</a> that dissuade is an antonym of persuade. I disagree -- <b>compel</b> is the opposite of persuade.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08574355302581451838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-46176156897450777152010-04-24T07:50:08.539-04:002010-04-24T07:50:08.539-04:00These thoughts are especially poignant coming from...These thoughts are especially poignant coming from a marine, a former agent of state force. I wonder if he would join me in working for a time when nobody pays taxes or obtains a business license, except when <i>persuaded</i> to -- a time when a person makes a choice about marijuana or paid organ donation, solely on the basis of sober, thoughtful argument -- and, <b>of course</b>, one chooses to carry a weapon (or not) without fear of an overwhelming force response from agents of the state.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08574355302581451838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-18894571516258398872010-04-24T01:24:21.862-04:002010-04-24T01:24:21.862-04:00Nuclear proliferation is different, or might be be...Nuclear proliferation is different, or might be because of the radically different ways the political process makes decisions compared to how individuals make decisions.<br /><br />Leaders with their fingers on the button have much, much different incentives than individuals with guns strapped to their hips.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-23569201607449108122010-04-23T23:01:18.832-04:002010-04-23T23:01:18.832-04:00For the same reasons given, I support nuclear prol...For the same reasons given, I support nuclear proliferation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-76873920173375190452010-04-23T22:36:03.635-04:002010-04-23T22:36:03.635-04:00rephrasing: I don't even think a majority woul...rephrasing: I don't even think a majority would need to be armed. Make that a sufficient <i>minority</i>. Schelling's <i>k</i> fits here: there's some number where we would all move toward a higher equilibrium, even if only a small number of us were packin' da heat.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05093170309806260127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7464708.post-70904584488240842882010-04-23T22:32:53.327-04:002010-04-23T22:32:53.327-04:00I wish that there were a society where even one in...I wish that there were a society where even one individual wouldn't use force (whether that be bullet-force or bench-press force) in their interactions with someone else. However, until that happens (on the other side of the second-coming of Christ, in my world view), the instant that someone decides to utilize force, the whole game falls apart, and everyone should reasonably be armed (or at least a sufficient majority that the force-user can <i>possibly</i> believe that their victim is armed).<br /><br />As someone who does not like violence (as it is an affront to human life and dignity and creation-in-the-image-of-God), and really wishes that people could interact peaceably, I really have no category in my brain for people who would deny the logic of my (and Major Caudill's) argument.<br /><br />I welcome the challenge.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05093170309806260127noreply@blogger.com